Women in the Church. Part 1
Second Part: A more focused and personal reflection on why things need to change, and what I plan to do. (Probably a little more interesting, for those of us who already believe that women should play a more significant and equal role in church leadership.)
I've been somewhat avoiding writing this blog because I've thought a lot about this topic, and feel like I can't possibly write a blog that summarizes everything I've thought about. But I'm going to start. I'm not even sure how useful my thoughts are. (There are many more educated and articulate people out there that can speak on this topic) But what the heck...here it goes.
First of all, I grew up in a church where women were not pastors, or elders, or deacons. They were, and still are, Sunday school teachers, women's ministry leaders, and secretaries. They also get to sing (& dance?!). If you asked me when I was younger what role women should play in the church, I'd probably have said they couldn't be pastors, cause men were meant to be leaders.
If you asked why, I'd probably have told you that God made men in such a way that they needed to be in charge. (Also didn't the bible say women can't lead...or something like that.) Basically in my young mind, men needed to be in leadership, because they wanted to be in leadership, and that is why they are the leaders. End of story.
But that's not really the end of the story, because my discomfort with this environment grew exponentially throughout high school, and probably has reached its boiling point this year. Today, I am absolutely convinced without a doubt that women should and need to be involved in every aspect of church life, men should learn from women, women should learn from men. Women need to be leaders because the church needs them.
The following will be a bombardment of thoughts, many of which will need to be expanded upon in later posts.
1) Spiritual gifts--Every time I've taken a "spiritual gift assessment" teaching and discernment are my main gifts. This leaves me with a a bit of a problem. I am neither particularly skilled or passionate about: singing, making coffee, administrative work or taking care and teaching children.
Don't get me wrong! I will willingly serve in any of these capacities. This is not a pride issue, if God wanted me to change diapers and file paper work for the rest of my life I would. I HAVE spent the last four summers in children's ministry.
However, I am saying that these are not my particular gifting, or passions, and yet in my home church these are the options open to me. I have been told numerous times that women perform in these roles because this is how God has gifted them. Men are gifted in leadership (and using their brains!) and women are good at taking care of children. (I'm not trying to be angry, it's a joke...but still.)
The point is. If anyone told me that these are my roles in the church because this is how God has gifted me as a woman, I will have no choice but to laugh at them.
When leadership, discernment, teaching, prophecy (and so on) are all spiritual gifts, I can't see how any woman with these gifts would be able to use them fully in most churches.
I think its hard for someone who isn't a women to understand this frustration, just as I can hardly understand what a racial minority feels on a daily basis. However, I can say that it is entirely discouraging for women who are gifted in leadership and teaching. When you can't function in the way God has gifted you, it's very easy to lose your passion for ministry.
But I'm not going to wait til the church is comfortable with my spiritual gifts. How in good conscious can I not do what God has gifted me to do. I can't and I won't wait for people to wake up.
2) The Bible--I don't want to get into a lengthy theological debate. I've never gone to seminary, and I'm sure there are people with the motivation and skills to argue me into any corner. However, I do want to point out that Paul's writings are very significant in how we view women's role in the church. He states quite explicitly to certain churches in the New Testament that women should remain silent, and should not teach or have leadership over men. However, without going into extensive details I don't believe using these few scriptures to back up a thousand years of suppression is justified.
First of all, in other passages Paul seems to contradict himself, and at best, his viewpoint is ambiguous. Deacons and leaders (who are women) are listed in such a way that it is implied that they were Paul's companions in leadership. These women's names are listed before their husbands, suggesting that they, and not their husbands, were in leadership positions. (There are many possibilities for why these contradications take place, and I don't want to go into them all.)
Many churches will say, we cannot know for sure what Paul meant, but the best we can do is follow the Bible. "It's biblical." How many time have I heard this. However, in these exact same passages women are informed to cover their heads, not cut or braid their hair, or wear jewellery. These are of course disregarded as, "cultural", and no longer applicable to our time. But whose choosing the criteria of what is cultural and what is not? Ironically, the churches that would most adamantly claim to be taking a literal, and biblical position on these passages, are kidding themselves.
3) Women and leadership. If women should not be in leadership, does this apply only to spiritual contexts. Is it right for a women to be in charge in a corporate setting? Can she teach and lead men there? If so--why are women only inferior in spiritual leadership? What was God's rational?
4) Missions. I'm assuming when Jesus told us to go into all the world and make disciples, he was going to include women in that task. Good thing too, since women missionaries have played a crucial role throughout history. But what if no one is willing to go and tell the people in some village in
Ironically enough, most churches who don't support female leadership would probably commission a woman to go and teach in some god-forsaken-country. Is a women really capable of being the only spiritual leadership for entire group of people! God could use her?!
I can't see how this double standard can be construed as anything other than a colonial mindset, and blatant racism. A white women is good enough to lead Africans, but infinitely inferior to white men.
5) Redemptive hermeneutics—A significant part of the Jewish and Christian faith is the idea that God works within history. However, it is clear that even when Jesus was on earth, there are certain social problems that he did not address. The Jews wanted Jesus to restructure a broken and destructive political climate. He didn’t. In this way, I think that in many ways God works with what we give him.
However, as Christians we can be a part of our culture, and redeem culture through our understanding of God’s justice and love. There are many issues in the biblical times that were accepted by Christians—that have now changed. Things have changed; they have changed for the better. An example is slavery. Less than 50 years ago Christians used the Bible to justify slavery. The Bible does not condemn slavery, in fact Paul outlines what appropriate relationships look like between slave and master. Christians thought, well, if the Bible doesn’t have a problem with it, why change.
And yet today, you’d be hard press to find a Christian in
7) Don’t be fooled. Women have been leaders, and continue to be leaders. The early persecutors of Christians in
I don’t want to get all “1960s Feminist” on you, but that’s pretty basic stuff. Once position and leadership in the church was associated with political and social power, women began to be excluded.
'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.'
I wonder who is going to listen?

5 Comments:
maria...
you did not disappoint.
i like the way you think. keep processing this stuff and wrestling through it. i've gone through a similar process myself over the past several years. i have a lot of (scattered) thoughts on the subject but i just thought i'd share a couple.
you said:
"The point is, just because Paul and Jesus didn’t stand on a soap box and scream, “Free the women!”, doesn’t mean that allowing women to function as teachers and leaders, and equals, is not something that would not please God."
i would argue that Paul pretty much did stand on a soapbox and scream that very thing by declaring in Galatians 3:28 that "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Could you imagine the revolutionary statement this would have been to a misogynistic society who viewed women as not human? Or to to the pious Jew who being told that there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles? What a pollution of God's chosen nation!! so be encouraged, and recant your "soapbox" comment, at least with regard to Paul. Jesus' soapbox was usually seen in his actions (i.e. Luke 8; John 4; etc.)
i'm in the same boat as you in that i don't know my stuff well enough to avoid being smeared across the floor in an argument with a complimentarian, but the more i read about Jesus and his mission to re-humanize a de-humanized culture and the work of God in revaluing and redeeming creation, i have a hard time seeing a justifiable complementarian view.
do yourself a favour and pick up a book called Gender, Sexuality, and Community (edited by Maxine Hancock). it's a great book of essays by Regent professors speaking of such issues in regards to their area of expertise, so you get an essay on an OT perspective, NT perspective, Cultural perpsective, Pauline one, and so on. it will be a great resource to bring clarity to some of your thoughts.
keep thinking... and using your gifts.
(and by the way... you should really consider coming to regent after you've completed your degree. your brain would fit right in here, and on top of that, a great many of Regent students are here after receiving a English-based humanities degree... it was surprising to find that out. i think you'd love it here!)
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12:57 AM
aaron!
Thanks so much for the comments. I agree, I guess I didn't really address how much Paul's views were
revolutionary for women at the time. A friend pointed out that when Paul says, "women should learn in silence." It was important that Paul said that women should LEARN.
I will definitely try and get my hands on that book. It sounds good.
Also...the idea of seminary is always playing around in the back of my mind. Univerisity of British Columbia also has a great Creative Writing Graduate program too. Regent sounds like a good place. Who knows...the west coast might steal me away.
12:57 AM
Maria...that was awesome.
I think what is beautiful about the entire picture of Christ is how there is such a balance in everything. Part of learning this balance is both sexes accepting and encouraging qualities in each other to keep moving forward.
I heard a story about a women in seminary where they were having a discussion about if women could be pastors or not, and she put her hand up and said well of course they can be pastors because i'm a pastor and i'm a women. I just love that mentality of not letting these years of history and inequality not bounding them. If a man can't see something better than himself in women, then he needs to look harder. Women have leadership skills that a lot of guys would never understand (and i would argue vice versa) and really as beautiful as the bride of christ matched with jesus is both sexes learning to lead together and depending on each others strengths...
Great post maria...looking forward to more.
4:16 PM
Good points, Nathan. I agree. One thing I am thinking about lately is whether one gender has certain strengths and another gender different strengths. I don't know when I look around if I see that strong of a division from person to person.
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